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April 02, 2005

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MBH

Hi,
I really appreciate this writing. I had just read an article on Slate, "In Theocracy They Trust" which I found extremely depressing. At least I'm not alone in my disgust for those the media refers to as Christians. Personally I have decided that I am a Follower of Jesus, as the term Christian is tainted. Besides the religious right doesn't seem to find much Biblical basis from the teachings of Jesus, they seem to prefer the Old Testament and Paul.
Thanks again for a thought provoking article.
MBH

Nige B.

I haven't been a Christian in any sense for decades. Partly that's because I haven't been able to reconcile what most Christian "authorities" seem to say with what my reason tells me of the world (or, actually, with my plain old common sense). Partly it's also because I'm queer, and queer and Christianity just never seem to mix (from either point of view). However, just before his consecration as Bishop, I sent Gene Robinson a good wishes email. I was hugely surprised to get a reply. I was even more surprised at the wisdom of what he wrote in just a couple of sentences. Since then I've been exploring why someone as wise as Bishop Robinson can be a Christian. Now I've come across this web site and have breathed a great sigh of relief, since I've been reading right-wing evangelical Bible commentaries recently which had been confirming that Christianity really wasn't for me... Your post has further pulled me back from that. I may not be ready for a long while yet to commit to Christianity, but at least I know there's somewhere for me when I do.

Roy Dhanda

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Adam

The decline of Christianity is speeding up and the number of people willing to nominally follow this faith is falling fast! With in the next 100-150 years Christianity will have lost all its political power and a vast majority of its cultural power as well. Church buildings will be torn down or converted into better uses. Most western peoples will scoff at the very idea of “One God” and find only scorn for the Bible/Torah/Koran. It may well take a full200- 300 years but Judeo-Christianity will have all but died and then one day it will die. The death of the One God may take longer then most would like but we may rest assured that he is in fact dying.
Adam

RAMAN

THESE NONSENCE CHURCHES ARE CREATING HAVOC IN INDIA, SURPRISINGLY THESE ARE GETTING ENOUGH LOT (NO FOOD AND MONEY, SO EASY TO CONVERT), CREATING NONSENCE COMMUNAL UNSTABILITY!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE HELPOUT.

"quantumbeer"

I would love for Christianity to die off, but not take any civilization down with it.

Virtual Mystik

A new age is dawning, 2000 years and no Jesus, it is becoming apparent he was an apocalyptic thinker, wise but self absorbed, Jerusalem is not the center of the earth, the earth is not the center of the universe, and Heaven is not up. 'Heaven lies within you' he said before coming back from the dead and shooting off into space:) Writing had been invented, why would only four people report such an incredible event? He is supposed to have been seen by thousands of people. And those four incredibly seem to be his disciples, who were understandably angry for the killing of a good man of God.

Will Kohli

Think again, Jesus words, "I SAY ONTO THEE, THE STARS WILL FALL TO THE GROUND" & "ALL OF THOSE ALIVE WILL LIVE TO SEE ME COMING DOWN FROM THE CLOUDS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD". How many more Millenia will pass, before the TRUTH dawns! JESUS WAS LYING!I might talk that way too, if I was about to be nailed, you might too.

Will Kohli

"STARS WILL FALL TO THE GROUND" ! er, those stars are galaxies, each with 300 Million Suns in each. And they will fall to the ground on this miniscule planet! "HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL PASS AWAY, BUT MY WORDS WILL NOT PASS AWAY". er, the only thing that passed away was Jesus. No Romans saw him come back, No jews saw him come back, AND 7 OF HIS OWN DISCIPLES DID NOT EVEN CARE TO WRITE ABOUT IT. That just leaves Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And the joke they played in writing before they died. Jesus had'nt returned as he promised! Ultimately by 20,000 CE TRUTH will inevitably have to rule.

Lee Picton

Count me as one of the fallen away. My own father was an Episcopalian priest who acknowledged his atheism at the end of his life. I was unencumbered by irrational belief since the age of seven, when I was pretty sure it was all bullshit, but as it was religion that put food on my table, I knew enough to keep my mouth shut. My husband, a nominally churched individual, admitted he didn't believe either, and our child was never indoctrinated. So that's three fewer in the clutches of insanity.

Windstorm

I don't direspect Christians or anything but I can't stand the fact that they teach a "no tolerance" of other belief systems. That ain't fair at all how they judge people. Good ridance, sheesh!

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Jason

Reading this gives me hope. While I doubt I will get to see Christianity completely marginalized during my lifetime, I really wish I could. There are many decent Christians, and the few who have actually read the whole bible, I commend, as most only turn to the page their pastor/priest tells them to, on Sundays, yet dare to call themselves "Christians." As a former devout Christian, turned angry, rebellious Satanist, turned nonbeliever tired of religious propaganda, I have a deep-seated hatred for any monotheistic belief system, as monotheism automatically implies "my god is right, and your god is wrong; end of discussion". We need to follow in the footsteps of Nietzsche and move "Beyond Good and Evil".

Asutosh

Will you please read this article?

http://net-burst.net/hot/decline.htm

Curtis Wayne

Although, I understand what you are saying about Christianity and those calling themselves Christian. I have worked in or around a Church for the past 21 years. And I see exactly what you are saying about Christians within the Church itself. There are many in the Church that don't take it seriously, have a minimal understanding of the Bible, and jst attend because they always have. There are others that try hard to be a Christian, but are not sure what they are looking for. Then there are those that truly love God and are devoted to Him. My only wish that each of you could spend time with this group. You won't find them on TV. There not the ones quoted in the media. You never hear from this group until you are blessed enough to have crossed their paths. I could tell you stories of people I have met that would blow you away. It still blows me away. There is something about this Jesus that is not being reported today. And frankly, I don't think I want it reported through the media. How much is it worth to you to find out if this is true?

suren

truth is jesus didnt die on the cross but survived the crucifiction (the resurrection was actually him coming back alive ...he achieved this through yogic techniques he had learnt in India/Tibet). Yes he was a true spiritual master who had his education in the eastern traditions and tried to imbibe the best of these to his folks. He created successors and made the perfect exit strategy through the crucifiction to return to the east for a peaceful family life in Kashmir till his death at a very old age. Most people who have been initiated into very deep spiritual traditions do not have any desire to suffer for others sins or sacrifice themselves because they would understand the philosophy of the human mind and so for him he did this probably because the spiritual life was his ideal and remaining in Israel would not permit that. Unfortunately the movement he started got lost in the old Judaic dogma...I think the second coming was probably his promise to return at some point but didnt materialize. And then of course you had the Roman Empire meddling with christianity for the purpose of their imperialistic agenda.

Bob Garbett


I came to this 'site' thinking it was 'progressive' I’m more than a little disappointed to find that this same site is home to atheists, god haters, Christ rejecter’s and those who seem to despise all things Christian. If this is a 'progressive' website, I'm a little concerned to see where 'liberals' hang out. I’m no fundamentalist, nor conservative, but neither can I or do I reject the whole 'box and dice’. I’m new to this site, but also a little confused, is this pseudo progressive or agnostic/atheist. This is an honest question from someone looking for a place where some semblance of faith can still be retained.


stephen d

Bob, I think we all basically believe in the same thing. We have many different points of view due to our own conditioning, which creates prejudice. If u r blessed with faith, don't feel threatened by other points of view. Christians have caused enormous destruction in the world, so it's understandable that some would feel it would be better to let it go. Despite this, there r some really beautiful things in Christianity.

Eduardo Sanchez

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mijmog

read the atrocities in the old testament........you will not want to spend eternity with a God like that !
jesus hasnt come back yet - its been a long time. other pagan figures also had a virgin birth, death for 3 days, resurrection, & were called sons of God or gods.
the churches are full of hypocrites, interested in money only.
i experimented with christianity for 5 years, but now i quit.

will

some christians can be nice, but that's their individual spirit - not that of a religion that changes them.
civilisation can exist without christianity - look at the highly disciplined societies of japan or korea - not christian nations - but lower crime than many christian nations.
as a christian, i was nice in order to keep out of hell and get into heaven, but now as an atheist i am nice because i care for other people - i'm sure jesus christ will like me better now - even if the judgemental christians i face dont.

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Much obliged, that enlightened, and, most importantly, just in time. Just think, six years already inete, but I believe the first time I've heard.
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+ Medion MD 95895
+ Medion MD 95900
+ Medion MD 96123 - PNA 205
+ Medion MD 96310 - 3210
+ Medion MD 96130 - PNA 315t
+ Medion MD PNA150
+ Medion MDPNA 200 / 240t
+ Medion PNA 200S MD95900
+ Medion PNA 210 GOPAL
+ Medion PNA 300 MD95574
+ Medion PNA 310 MD95385
+ Medion MDPNA 315
+ Medion MDPNA 350
+ Medion MDPNA 465t (menu)
+ Medion MDPNA 470t p4410 = JVC KV-PX70
+ Medion MDPNA 470t P4Q
+ Medion MDPNA 500t MD95720
+ Medion MDPNA 510t MD96040
+ Medion GO PAL E4430
+ Medion PNA 1200 MD96710
+ Mesada
+ Modecom
+ Modecom FreeWay MX
+ Motivo
+ Motorola MOTONAV TN20
+ Motorola MOTONAV TN30
+ Mustek GP-220
+ Mustek GP-230
+ Mustek GP-250
+ Mustek GP-260
+ Mustek GP-440
+ MultiLaser EXPLORER 2
+ MX-ONDA MX 7235
+ MyGuide - 3000go
+ MyGuide - 3100
+ MyGuide - 3200
+ MyGuide - 3xxx series
+ MyGuide - 4000
+ MyGuide - 4300
+ Mystery-435
+ Mystery MNS-360MP
+ Mystery MNS-700S
+ NAV-CAM 700
+ NavGear Streetmate GP-35
+ NavGear Streetmate GP-43
+ Navgear Streetmate GT-50T-3D
+ Navia nv35
+ Navia nv45
+ Navia nv47
+ Navia nv55
+ Navia 2006
+ Navia 2008
+ Navia II
+ NaviGoo n3510
+ NAVIGO AutoNAVI - 3000
+ Navigon 1200, 1210 (menu)
+ Navigon 2100, 2110
+ Navigon 2100 max, 2110 max
+ Navigon 2210 (menu)
+ Navigon 3100, 3110
+ Navigon PNA Transonic 4000
+ Navigon 4350 max
+ Navigon PNA Transonic 5000
+ Navigon 5100
+ Navigon PNA Transonic 6000T / Navigon PNA Transonic 6000
+ Navigon PNA Transonic 7000T
+ Navigon 7100, 7110
+ Navigon 7200, 7210
+ Navigon 7300, 7310
+ Navigon 8100, 8110 (menu)
+ Navigon 9611 Porshe (menu)
+ NAVISPACE Discovery NS-1200
+ NAVIFLASH 1020/1020t/1040/1060
+ NAVIFLASH 1120
+ Navitel NX3100
+ Navitel NX3110
+ Navitel NX4110
+ Navitel NX4100
+ Navitel NX4110
+ Navitel NX4300
+ Navitel NX5100
+ Navon N250
+ Navon N260
+ Navon N350
+ Navon N360
+ Navon N450
+ Navon N460
+ Navon N470
+ Navon N550
+ Navon N560
+ Navon N650
+ Navroad 410
+ Navroad NR460
+ Navroad NR750F
+ NaviGoo n3521
+ NaviGoo n4320
+ NaviRoad 430BT & NaviRoad 450BV
+ NaviTop 5011
+ NaviTop 3511 (CNS Luna)
+ Navix 07PL
+ Navix 3508
+ Navix 4306
+ Navix 4306B
+ Navix 4307
+ Navix 4307B
+ Navix 4307Bx
+ Navman F20 (only update maps)
+ Navman N60i
+ Navman N20, N40, N60
+ Navman iCN510, iCN520, iCN530, iCN550, iCN720, iCN750
+ Navman S - (all serie / вся серия)
+ Navon N470
+ NDRIVE G50
+ NDrive G280S / NDrive G280R
+ NDrive G400
+ NDrive G800 / G800R / G800S
+ NDrive Touch
+ NDrive Touch XL
+ Neoline V-460
+ Neoline V-500
+ Newsmy S998 7.0 inch GPS Navigator (Westin G701)
+ Newsmy S999 5.0 inch GPS Navigator
+ NEXX NNS-3501
+ NEXX NNS-4301
+ Nokia 330 Auto Navigation
+ NOKIA 500 PD 14 / Nokia 500 Auto Navigation
+ NOVOGO vn-2270
+ NTW GNT-E350
+ NTW GNT-C430
+ NTW GNT-C431
+ NTW GNT-S430
+ NTW GNT-S600
+ Oocare LGPS-E9125N
+ Oocare LGPS-E9128NH
+ ORION G3510-ue
+ ORION G4310BT
+ Packard BELL Compasseo 300
+ Packard BELL Compasseo 400 & 420
+ Packard BELL Compasseo 500
+ Packard BELL Compasseo 600
+ Packard BELL Compasseo 820
+ Packard BELL Compasseo 810 / 830
+ Panasonic STRADA CN-GP50
+ Panasonic Strada Pocket CN-MP100D / CN-MP100DL
+ Panasonic Strada Pocket CN-MP200D / CN-MP200DL
+ Phantom Navigation Box
+ Phantom DVM-130G
+ Phantom DVM-1200 | 1200G
+ Phantom DVM-1320 | 1320G
+ Phantom DVM-1317 | 1317G
+ Phantom DVM-3028 | 3028G
+ Phantom DVM-1733 | 1733G
+ Phantom DVM-1700 | 1700G
+ Phantom DVM-3019 | 3019G
+ Phantom DVM-3006 | 3006G
+ Phantom DVM-1331 | 1331G
+ Phantom DVM-1800 | 1800G
+ Phantom DVM-1319 | 1319G
+ Phantom DVM-6500 | 6500G
+ Phantom DVM-3500 | 3500G
+ Phantom DVM-8300 & 8400
+ Phantom DVM-8500 | 8500G
+ Pharos EZ-Road PEZ120
+ Pharos Drive GPS 140
+ Pharos Drive GPS 150
+ Pharos Drive GPS 200
+ Pharos Drive GPS 250
+ PEIYING PY-GPS3501
+ PEIYING PY-GPS4301 (menu)
+ Pioneer PM-910
+ Pioneer PM-912
+ Pioneer MP-2035 BB
+ Pioneer MP-2038 BB
+ Pioneer MP-2039 BB
+ Pioneer AVIC F500BT / F700BT / F750BT / F760BT / F770BT / F900BT
+ Pioneer AVIC-8DVD (оригин. последней версии диск с картами Европейских стран)
+ Pioneer AVIC-800DVD (оригин. последней версии диск с картами Европейских стран)
+ Pioneer AVIC-9DVD (оригин. последней версии диск с картами Европейских стран)
+ Pionieer AVIC-s1
+ Pionieer AVIC-s2
+ Pionieer AVIC-X1 (оригин. последней версии диск с картами Европейских стран)
+ Pionieer AVIC-X1R (оригин. последней версии диск с картами Европейских стран)
+ Pionieer AVIC-X1BT (оригин. последней версии диск с картами Европейских стран)
+ Pionieer AVIC-D3 (оригин. последней версии диск с картами Европейских стран)
+ Pionieer AVIC-X3 (оригин. последней версии диск с картами Европейских стран)
+ PNi 350
+ Pocket Navigator MW-350
+ Pocket Navigator MW-430
+ Pocket Navigator PN-4300
+ Pocket Navigator PN-7020
+ Pocket Navigator PN-7050
+ Powerman PM-N430
+ Prestigio GEOVISION 100
+ Prestigio GEOVISION 135
+ Prestigio GEOVISION 150
+ Prestigio GEOVISION 350
+ Prestigio GEOVISION 450 BT (Voxtel Carrera X433, MSI MS5651, AIGO A5301, MyRoad 4308 TMC)
+ Prology IMAP 3100
+ Prology MDB-20
+ RAC SATNAV 110
+ RAC SATNAV 200
+ RAC SATNAV 300
+ RAC SATNAV 315
+ RAMAR 5026
+ RealAegis Armor 1000 Series
+ RealAegis Period 100 Series
+ Road Angel Navigator 6000
+ Roadmax vmax483 (Navmax)
+ GPS Devices win CES 2007 Awards (Navmax)
+ Roadmax vmax351 (Navmax)
+ Roadmax vmax361 (Navmax)
+ Roadmax vmaxNV1 (Navmax)
+ Roadmax vmax501 (Navmax)
+ Route 66 mini (menu)
+ SAILOR SA-9007
+ SHTURMANN Mini 100
+ Shturmann Link 300 & Shturmann Link 300 Pro
+ Shturmann A200 & SHTURMANN Play 200
+ Sigma ST10
+ Sigma ST20
+ SmartGPS 610, 620 (menu)
+ SmartGPS 310, 320 (menu)
+ Starway 4.3" & Starway 47 & Starway 50 & Starway 50A
+ Strato PJ63517
+ Stromberg Carlson GPS-4301
+ Supportplus SP-GPS22A
+ Supratech ACTEA
+ Sony KW4315
+ Sony u93tc, u92t, u83, u73t, u53, u51a
+ Symorp S35-A100
+ Symorp GP43BL
+ Targa PNA-E3530
+ Thinknavi UZ
+ TomTom (TomTom ONE, TomTom XL, TomTom GO 730, TomTom GO 930)
+ TELE System TS8.1PND
+ TELE System TS8.2BT / TELE System TS8.2PND
+ TELE System TS8.3PND
+ TELE System TS8.4PND
+ TELE System TS8800PND
+ TELE System TS8500PND
+ TELE System TS8600PND
+ Tenex 50s
+ TEVION p-310
+ teXet TN-500
+ teXet TN-505
+ teXet TN-510
+ teXet TN-555
+ teXet TN-600
+ ThinkNavi T7
+ Tibo A1000
+ Tibo A1550i
+ Tibo A1700
+ Tibo XRoad A4050
+ Tibo XRoad V4100
+ Tibo XRoad V4150
+ Tibo S1000
+ Tibo S1200
+ Tibo XRoad V4150
+ TN GoWay GPS 866
+ TN GoWay GPS 869
+ TRAK gps210
+ TRAK gps425 (menu)
+ Tracer Navigator TRN-1 = Keomo, model KM_RG_PND
+ Transonic PNA-4000 (MD 95330)
+ Transonic 5000t
+ Transonic 6000t
+ Transonic 7000t
+ Thomson Intuiva 420 ( LG )
+ TravelMate su/as 762035
+ Treelogic TL - 3501
+ Treelogic TL - 4301 B
+ Typhoon
+ Typhoon MyGuide Pocket Star
+ Typhoon MyGuide 2500 GO
+ Typhoon MyGuide 3000
+ Typhoon MyGuide 3210 GO
+ Typhoon MyGuide 3500 GO
+ Typhoon MyGuide 3610 GO
+ Typhoon MyGuide 4320 GO
+ Typhoon SilverGuide 5000
+ Valor Wave G355
+ Valor Wave G353
+ Valor Wave G431
+ Valor Wave G432
+ Valor Wave G435
+ Valor Wave 5" G512
+ Valor Wave 5" G513
+ Valor Wave 5" G515
+ Valor Wave 5" G516
+ Valor Wave G701
+ Valor Wave G702
+ Vdo Dayton MS 2000 NT
+ Vdo Dayton PN 1000
+ Vdo Dayton PN 4000 6000
+ Vdo Dayton 2050
+ ViaMichelin Navigation VM X-930, X-950, X-960, X-970, X-980
+ Visicom N431
+ Verdi GPS 011
+ WayteQ N300
+ WayteQ N310
+ WayteQ N330
+ WayteQ N350
+ WayteQ N360
+ WayteQ N410
+ WayteQ N470
+ WayteQ N500
+ WayteQ N510
+ WayteQ X610
+ WayteQ X620
+ WayteQ N700H
+ WayteQ N710
+ WayteQ N720
+ WayteQ N750B
+ WayteQ N770 / N770BT
+ WayteQ N800
+ WayteQ X810
+ WayteQ X820
+ WayteQ N850
+ WayteQ X920
+ WEG NP160U JVC
+ xDEVICE microMAP-Interlagos DeLuxe
+ xDevice microMAP SilverStone
+ xDevice microMAP-Monza Deluxe
+ xDevice microMAP-imOla DeLuxe
+ xDevice microMAP- GT
+ xDevice microMAP-4350
+ xDevice microMAP-6027
+ X-SITE XSN-352s
+ Yakumo EazyGoXSC / Yakumo EazyGo
+ YOTOO A328
+ YF Starway 4.3 (32C-5)
+ YF STARWAY 5.0
+ YT001
+ Мирком М500
+ All China Navigators (GPS - N5300, GPS - N5200, GPS - N5003, GPS - N5002, GPS - N5001, GPS - N5000, GPS - L511, GPS - L510, GPS - L509, GPS - L508, GPS L505 (Extreme Thin), GPS S505 (Extreme Thin) - Hot Selling, Car GPS Navigator (GPS-S507), Car GPS Navigator (GPS-L507), Car GPS Navigator (GPS-L506), Car GPS Navigator (GPS-S506), GPS L503 (Extreme Thin), GPS S502 (Extreme Thin), GPS L502 (Extreme Thin), GPS L501 (Extreme Thin), GPS (NPC-696), GPS (N683), GPS (NPC682), GPS (NPC699), GPS L504 (Extreme Thin), GPS S503 (Extreme Thin), GPS (NPC809), GPS (NPC684), GPS (N619), GPS (NPC330), GPS (N339), GPS (NPC326), GPS358 (358), GPS N329)

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There is no religion called Christianity. It is pure Judaism.

Hey lot many expressed their views here. I am expressing mine too. What is Christianity according to Bible? The derogatory name given by other people to jewish desciples of Jesus Christ. These jewish desciples were all jews..who worshipped Eternal God YAHWEH in Jewish Temple at Jerusalem, who observed all jewish festivals, obeyed all requirements of their jewish faith. They were 100% jews, only one difference..they found the Messiah foretold by their ancient prophets in one man called Yeshua (Jesus)..from Nazareth.
In other words there exists no religion called Christianity, it is nothing but a sect of Judaism. According to Jesus the laws given by God through Moses shall not pass away till sky and earth pass away. According to Jesus, Judaism alone is true faith and it is for ever. Which exactly agrees with what Paul wrote in Roman chapters 9, 10 and 11. . The True Olive Plant of holy Nation of Abraham’s Seed and the gentiles got opportunity to get grafted to this Pure Olive tree through the Jewish Messiah called Yeshua Ha Messiah. In other words all those who whole heartedly obeyed Torah given to Moses..whether gentile or jew are justified before Holy God, YAHWEH through His Son Yeshua. That message stands independent and alone for ever..It never changes with time. It may appear foolish to some even...
IN OTHER WORDS IT IS ABOUT OBEYING REPEAT OBEYING TEN COMMANDMENTS AND OTHER LAWS IN TORAH AND THOSE ONCE AGAIN EMPHASISED BY JESUS LIKE LOVING THY NEIGHBOUR. INSTEAD OF BLAMING OTHERS FOR THEIR FAILURE, LOOK INTO OUR OWN HEART AND DECIDE TO OBEY THE LAW. p_t4487@yahoo.com

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