This is my first-ever podcast interview! Here I interview Rev. Thomas Ott or the United Church of Christ in Webster, NY in the Papago Brewing Company on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Tom is just completing a 3-month sabbatical which has taken him all over the world to find ways he can equip his congregation to practice their faith in the midst of their everyday lives. His quest is to make faith more real, tangible, and concrete not only on Sunday mornings but throughout the week. This is an unedited interview in which Tom speaks frankly about reasons for both hope and despair in the faith landscape of America, and points ot nuggets of deep wisdom he has gleaned from visiting faith communities in the USA and following the footsteps of the apostle Paul in Greece and Turkey.